Step Sequencers

[Dave Peachey]

David et al,

Is there some value to be had in setting up a separate Techniques section within this forum both:
- to enable those who want to know how (or, indeed, whether it is possible) to do a certain thing with the Zeit sequencer to ask their question
- to enable those who find something whizzy, fun, clever or all three to share their findings

As well as being useful to those who are new to hardware step sequencers and/or new to Zeit in particular, it might also help to generate ideas for future enhancements.

I could start this off by asking:
"Is it possible to generate the Klaus Schulze psycho-acoustic stereo sequence (!) effect as found on Moondawn (Floating) where two sequences play the same very simple four-note pattern but one plays it slightly faster than the other thus producing a seemingly far more complex overall sequence pattern when heard in stereo?"

I ask because I can't see from the manual any obvious method of running different sequences within a patch at slightly different speeds (i.e. not related to the default x½, x2, etc. relationships) as the Tempo setting seems to be a global parameter for the overall patch.

Cheers
Dave

[mch]

Hi dave

i think the techniques section is a good idea.The technique you mention i use alot on just about everything in a sense ? maybe , it sounds like a simple delay on 1 channel left or right , to add anything from stereo spread to synced out of phase Left Right tricks, i think what you refering to is when you take a sequence line , duplicate a second version , patch to 2 individual midi channels ( same patch ) , pan these hard right and left on amixer and basically start one sequence on the second step in the sequence or in realtion to the other ? so you have like the same sequence but 1 channels delayed by a step (in sync) of course thats the long way round as with a stereo delay line ( Tc fireworx , Se90 , or any other you can set stuff like this up.I like usinga simple sequence and sending toi a stereo delay with left channel and right different delay settings , with some work you can get nice effects.Sounds like the simplest way would be for you to use simple delay on one channel.

regards

matt

Is there some value to be had in setting up a separate Techniques section within this forum both:
- to enable those who want to know how (or, indeed, whether it is possible) to do a certain thing with the Zeit sequencer to ask their question
- to enable those who find something whizzy, fun, clever or all three to share their findings

As well as being useful to those who are new to hardware step sequencers and/or new to Zeit in particular, it might also help to generate ideas for future enhancements.

I could start this off by asking:
"Is it possible to generate the Klaus Schulze psycho-acoustic stereo sequence (!) effect as found on Moondawn (Floating) where two sequences play the same very simple four-note pattern but one plays it slightly faster than the other thus producing a seemingly far more complex overall sequence pattern when heard in stereo?"

I ask because I can't see from the manual any obvious method of running different sequences within a patch at slightly different speeds (i.e. not related to the default x½, x2, etc. relationships) as the Tempo setting seems to be a global parameter for the overall patch.

Cheers
Dave[/quote]

[Dave Peachey]

Matt,

Actually, the technique seems to be very simple - on the face of it! - but produces an interesting and more complex effect than you might suppose (try the Schulze track as an example, if you can find it).

Take a simple sequence > replicate it and pan each version hard left and hard right (as you mentioned) > run one sequence at a rate different from the normal sequence (not out of step, out of tempo) > listen to it on a stereo setup > marvel at the complexity!

Don't listen on headphones as it ruins the effect because then you hear the discrete sequences in your ears and it's disorientating - indeed it can be nauseating!

As I said, it doesn't seem to be possible with Zeit at present because the only way to run two sequences at different tempi (as far as I can see) is using the fixed relationship differences (x½, x2, etc.).

Cheers
Dave